The Hedge 3: Derick Winkworth and Automation

Network automation efforts tend to focus on building and maintaining configurations–but is this the right place to be putting our automation efforts? Derick Winkworth joins Tom Ammon and Russ White at the Hedge for a conversation about what engineers really do, and what this means for automation.

The Hedge 2: Jeff Tantsura and Intent Based Networking

Jeff Tantsura recently co-authored a draft in the IRTF defining some of the concepts and parameters for intent based networking. Jeff joins Tom Ammon and Russ White to dig into this new area, and what it means for networks.

The Hedge 1: Sonia Cuff and Stress in IT

Working in information technology is notoriously stressful — but why? In this episode of the Hedge, Sonia Cuff, Denise Donohue, and Russ White dig into the reasons information technology tends to produce so much stress, and what we can do about it.

The Hedge

Since leaving the Network Collective as a co-host, I have been thinking about what to do “next” in the podcast space. While I will continue recording the History of Networking series until I either run out of guests or energy, it seems like an opportune time to build something new.

Hence—the Hedge, a new podcast published here at

Why the Hedge? Because the people I work with in the engineering world remind me a lot of hedgehogs. If you scare them, they curl up into a ball of spikes and hiss. Because we always have problems with people hogging the (h)edge of the network. Because the (h)edge of the network and business is important. Because a hedge is a great place to gather just to have a conversation about what is going on in the world.

You can add your own bad hedge jokes here, because I’m out for the moment.